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		<title>Comment on Doing Your Research by An</title>
		<link>http://hortorian.com/2010/09/doing-your-research/comment-page-1/#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator>An</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 19:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*likez this*

 I&#039;m working on a fantasy right now and have spent ~four hours in the last week alone researching transportation and occupations in the time period, along with backchecks to make sure different plants and foods could be harvested given the environmental situations. Honestly, though, an hour researching plausible alcoholic drinks and the types of grain and berries to be grown in a northern seaboard clime gets pretty boring. 

But if you want a good example of the benefits of research, check out Codex Allera</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*likez this*</p>
<p> I&#8217;m working on a fantasy right now and have spent ~four hours in the last week alone researching transportation and occupations in the time period, along with backchecks to make sure different plants and foods could be harvested given the environmental situations. Honestly, though, an hour researching plausible alcoholic drinks and the types of grain and berries to be grown in a northern seaboard clime gets pretty boring. </p>
<p>But if you want a good example of the benefits of research, check out Codex Allera</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who Are You? by The Black Manga</title>
		<link>http://hortorian.com/2010/01/who-are-you/comment-page-1/#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>The Black Manga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key to writing flawed characters isn&#039;t that you have to know yourself especially well or like yourself. It&#039;s more about having courage to accept that the character may be unlikable to (some) people and not force the issue. 

You&#039;re doing it wrong when you think that it should be a no brainer that people should and must like your character as a person because you want to illicit a reaction. The worst outcome is leaving readers apathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key to writing flawed characters isn&#8217;t that you have to know yourself especially well or like yourself. It&#8217;s more about having courage to accept that the character may be unlikable to (some) people and not force the issue. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re doing it wrong when you think that it should be a no brainer that people should and must like your character as a person because you want to illicit a reaction. The worst outcome is leaving readers apathetic.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Woman&#8217;s point of View by The Black Manga</title>
		<link>http://hortorian.com/2010/08/the-womans-point-of-view/comment-page-1/#comment-258</link>
		<dc:creator>The Black Manga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 15:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would avoid writing a woman flat out telling a guy no if you want the male readers to be behind her. But if you want readers to resent her somewhat, than telling him no for reasons that aren&#039;t entirely logical - for example just thinking that she doesn&#039;t know if he&#039;s the one as you said, will have them screaming at her that rejecting him because you don&#039;t know means you can&#039;t find out. 

But many young women do think that way. That love has to be some kind of 6th sense. Portraying that works when the girl learns something and grows up. But Twilight for example reverses that premise, that the 6th sense shallow kind of love IS &quot;True love&quot;. And it&#039;s part of why it&#039;s so popular, because the misguided young ladies are having their own ideas about love reinforced and then some.   

The example about the female combatant vs the stronger one isn&#039;t really the best one as males&#039;s egos can be verrrry fragile when it comes to competition. But there&#039;s either three tacks one can take as a result of that scenario. One can either have the female echo a male type competitiveness or feel sorry for herself and then come back at him. One could do that, or one could have her actually be turned on by his masculine strength and dominance. 

The latter isn&#039;t a tactic I personally use but I can see why works primarily targeted to females would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would avoid writing a woman flat out telling a guy no if you want the male readers to be behind her. But if you want readers to resent her somewhat, than telling him no for reasons that aren&#8217;t entirely logical &#8211; for example just thinking that she doesn&#8217;t know if he&#8217;s the one as you said, will have them screaming at her that rejecting him because you don&#8217;t know means you can&#8217;t find out. </p>
<p>But many young women do think that way. That love has to be some kind of 6th sense. Portraying that works when the girl learns something and grows up. But Twilight for example reverses that premise, that the 6th sense shallow kind of love IS &#8220;True love&#8221;. And it&#8217;s part of why it&#8217;s so popular, because the misguided young ladies are having their own ideas about love reinforced and then some.   </p>
<p>The example about the female combatant vs the stronger one isn&#8217;t really the best one as males&#8217;s egos can be verrrry fragile when it comes to competition. But there&#8217;s either three tacks one can take as a result of that scenario. One can either have the female echo a male type competitiveness or feel sorry for herself and then come back at him. One could do that, or one could have her actually be turned on by his masculine strength and dominance. </p>
<p>The latter isn&#8217;t a tactic I personally use but I can see why works primarily targeted to females would.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Difference Between Men and Women by Goooooooose</title>
		<link>http://hortorian.com/2010/08/the-difference-between-men-and-women/comment-page-1/#comment-250</link>
		<dc:creator>Goooooooose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 04:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to act like a girl in real life.  lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to act like a girl in real life.  lol</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Woman&#8217;s point of View by Mithiri</title>
		<link>http://hortorian.com/2010/08/the-womans-point-of-view/comment-page-1/#comment-249</link>
		<dc:creator>Mithiri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 00:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fiachra has it right, Isaiah. My own take on things is not what I would truly consider normal either. A woman tackles relationships according to her personality and past experience (good and bad). I gave you a general (average) place to start. Add the flavor of the woman&#039;s attitude and you&#039;ll get her own, customized take on everything.

Kenny, the idea behind your example is basically correct. Although, it&#039;s pretty hard to know whether a guy is not &#039;the one&#039; without a few deep conversations. I&#039;d say your woman in that piece has to have known him for a little while, or simply finds him repulsive. But again, this is all just my opinion. Thank you for your interest, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fiachra has it right, Isaiah. My own take on things is not what I would truly consider normal either. A woman tackles relationships according to her personality and past experience (good and bad). I gave you a general (average) place to start. Add the flavor of the woman&#8217;s attitude and you&#8217;ll get her own, customized take on everything.</p>
<p>Kenny, the idea behind your example is basically correct. Although, it&#8217;s pretty hard to know whether a guy is not &#8216;the one&#8217; without a few deep conversations. I&#8217;d say your woman in that piece has to have known him for a little while, or simply finds him repulsive. But again, this is all just my opinion. Thank you for your interest, though.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Woman&#8217;s point of View by Kenny</title>
		<link>http://hortorian.com/2010/08/the-womans-point-of-view/comment-page-1/#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m trying to apply this to my writing now. As Isaiah said, that bit about women not letting on is a very nice gem.

How&#039;s this read?: **“Will you go out with me?”

Even for her diminutive size, with a titanic amount of thought, so tremendous and insightful if written into books it’d fill a library, she reached a decision. “No,” she answered, as there were too many variables to consider. She couldn’t be sure if he was ‘the one.’**

Again, thanks for the good bit of insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to apply this to my writing now. As Isaiah said, that bit about women not letting on is a very nice gem.</p>
<p>How&#8217;s this read?: **“Will you go out with me?”</p>
<p>Even for her diminutive size, with a titanic amount of thought, so tremendous and insightful if written into books it’d fill a library, she reached a decision. “No,” she answered, as there were too many variables to consider. She couldn’t be sure if he was ‘the one.’**</p>
<p>Again, thanks for the good bit of insight.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Woman&#8217;s point of View by Fiachra</title>
		<link>http://hortorian.com/2010/08/the-womans-point-of-view/comment-page-1/#comment-246</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiachra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with that, Isaiah, is that not all girls think the same, just as not all guys think the same. So when Mithiri is drawing comparisons between the way most girls think, she can only do it on a very basic level. Some girls handle relationships differently to other girls, some guys handle relationships differently to other guys... There are hundreds of variables that determine how people think and act and gender just happens to be one of them. So really, if you are going to go and make a character that is an &#039;&#039;average girl&#039;&#039; or an &#039;&#039;average guy&#039;&#039; (which you would end up doing...), then that&#039;s fine. Personally, I feel that average characters are boring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with that, Isaiah, is that not all girls think the same, just as not all guys think the same. So when Mithiri is drawing comparisons between the way most girls think, she can only do it on a very basic level. Some girls handle relationships differently to other girls, some guys handle relationships differently to other guys&#8230; There are hundreds of variables that determine how people think and act and gender just happens to be one of them. So really, if you are going to go and make a character that is an &#8221;average girl&#8221; or an &#8221;average guy&#8221; (which you would end up doing&#8230;), then that&#8217;s fine. Personally, I feel that average characters are boring.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Woman&#8217;s point of View by Isaiah</title>
		<link>http://hortorian.com/2010/08/the-womans-point-of-view/comment-page-1/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>Isaiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 04:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if you could go a bit deeper. Perhaps give a more complicated example than buying a dog, because there are some obvious things to think about that you stated. How does a girl handle a relationship differently than a guy? Friendships? Deaths? Marriage? In the other article I thought you did a good job about explaining the linear way of thinking, but I wouldn&#039;t say you really painted a picture for us here. It&#039;s probably harder because it&#039;s weird to explain the way you think though. I will say that I thought the bit about there&#039;s always more happening in a woman&#039;s head than she lets on was a gem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if you could go a bit deeper. Perhaps give a more complicated example than buying a dog, because there are some obvious things to think about that you stated. How does a girl handle a relationship differently than a guy? Friendships? Deaths? Marriage? In the other article I thought you did a good job about explaining the linear way of thinking, but I wouldn&#8217;t say you really painted a picture for us here. It&#8217;s probably harder because it&#8217;s weird to explain the way you think though. I will say that I thought the bit about there&#8217;s always more happening in a woman&#8217;s head than she lets on was a gem.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Difference Between Men and Women by Isaiah</title>
		<link>http://hortorian.com/2010/08/the-difference-between-men-and-women/comment-page-1/#comment-240</link>
		<dc:creator>Isaiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 16:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article, perhaps you will follow-up with another that focuses more on females?

I did some research on this topic a while ago for a speech (before realizing I could just recycle my old WWII topic and cut out lots of work). You are correct in the way you characterized our different methods of thinking. Though, I wouldn&#039;t call it logic, as not all men think logically. I would stick to the term &quot;linear&quot;. We think in a straight line, in steps. Women have something more like a web than a path, which is  very hard for me personally to comprehend.

Also, I liked that bit about body language. The deadly, female, brow-raise...lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article, perhaps you will follow-up with another that focuses more on females?</p>
<p>I did some research on this topic a while ago for a speech (before realizing I could just recycle my old WWII topic and cut out lots of work). You are correct in the way you characterized our different methods of thinking. Though, I wouldn&#8217;t call it logic, as not all men think logically. I would stick to the term &#8220;linear&#8221;. We think in a straight line, in steps. Women have something more like a web than a path, which is  very hard for me personally to comprehend.</p>
<p>Also, I liked that bit about body language. The deadly, female, brow-raise&#8230;lol.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Difference Between Men and Women by Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 15:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It has helped me step beyond seeing the men in my books as just the love interest for the main female character.&quot;

I really like the above quote. Thank you, because it pointed out something so obvious yet so easily forgotten.

I would also love a follow-up to this; where you may grab a few pieces of your story, where a male character is acting too feminine, and then some edits you&#039;ve made to make them more masculine. Would this be possible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It has helped me step beyond seeing the men in my books as just the love interest for the main female character.&#8221;</p>
<p>I really like the above quote. Thank you, because it pointed out something so obvious yet so easily forgotten.</p>
<p>I would also love a follow-up to this; where you may grab a few pieces of your story, where a male character is acting too feminine, and then some edits you&#8217;ve made to make them more masculine. Would this be possible?</p>
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